Saturday, May 16, 2026

Who are the teaching of Vedanta for since atma is already complete and unchanging? - Anwered by Swami Tadamanandaji in Week 3 Satsang

 


Q. We discussed how atma is not affected by vrittis. This made me think who are these teachings addressed to since atma is already complete and unchanging. To the mind and not to this not to the essence consciousness. Is this correct?

A.  Remember the word vritti is a Sanskrit term we use to describe all mental activities. Those mental activities could be thoughts, cognitions. Those mental activities could be emotions. Those mental activities could be perceptions. What you see here, taste, touch and smell. All of those are vrittiis. They are all mental activities. And consciousness is not affected by those vrittis.  

Atma is already satcidananda already unborn, uncreated, limitless, vast, full and complete. So then what is this Vedanta for? Atma is already that. Or how about some very typical um language used in in Hinduism, in general when it when it said your true nature is divine. Please note that it's not said that you will become divine but that your true nature is already divine. It's not a matter of becoming divine. It's a matter of discovering your true divine nature, your already divine nature.

So then who are these teachings addressed to? Atma doesn't need Advaita Vedanta. So if atma is already complete and unchanged then your teachings must be addressed to whom? To the mind and not to the essence consciousness. Is this correct?  The answer is yes.

The teachings of Advaita Vedanta are not for the sake of atma. We can't really say for the sake of the mind either- the problem of suffering is in the mind. What is the locus of suffering, where does suffering take place?  Pain may take place in your body, suffering always takes place in your mind. So we say the locus of suffering is in your mind and if the locus of the problem is your mind the locus of the solution will be your mind. Locus means the place. So if the problem is in your mind the solution has to take place in your mind. But we can't really say that your mind suffers. When you feel terrible, do you say, "Oh, my mind feels terrible." You don't say that. You say, "I feel terrible." You don't say, "My mind suffers." You say, "I suffer."

So who is Vedanta meant for? Vedanta is not meant for atma- satcitananda which is pure consciousness, already divine, already limitless, full and complete. Teaching of Atma is not for the sake of atma. Nor are the teachings of Vedanta for the sake of your body or mind. Your body and mind will continue to experience pain. As long as you have a body and mind, pain will come.

 For whom are the teachings of Vedanta? The simple answer to this is, whoever says I am suffering, for that person thee teachings of Vedanta have purpose, meaning and value.

You say ‘ I am suffering’. Who is that I? That's the big question. And we're not quite ready to get into that in detail, but ultimately that's  the point. There's something a little subtle here.

The problem is in the mind, but the problem is not the not the mind. Again, let me make that clear. You don't say my mind is suffering. You say I am suffering.

Why? Here's a Vedantic analysis of that question. Why do you say I suffer? I am suffering. Using some Vedantic teachings, we can understand it like this. You have failed to discover your true nature as pure consciousness. You have failed to discover the truth that the consciousness which is your essential nature is utterly unaffected by the problems of your body and even unaffected by the problems of your mind.

Atma consciousness being utterly unchanging,which will be a major topic perhaps later. My guru liked the expression self non-recognition to describe this problem.  Your failure to recognize your true self as such ananda -he called it self nonrecognition which is a very precise way of talking about a particular kind of ignorance. Ignorance of your true nature as atma.

And here we can finally go a step further and observe that due to self-non-recognition you suffer. Self non-recognition is ignorance. Ignorance is in your mind. And to get rid of that ignorance in your mind, we require self-knowledge. We require the discovery of your true self as satcitananda. Gaining self-knowledge, atma-jnanam. That self-knowledge removes ignorance. The particular kind of ignorance that causes suffering.

So who is Vedanta for? Vedanta is for the one who says I suffer. And that person says I suffer because of self non-recognition because of ignorance and that particular ignorance is what is addressed in the teachings of Advaita Vedanta.